Thanks. I searched the Internet

Nov 11, 2011,03:21 AM
 

using the infamous 'Goo-word' search engine and only found a Geneva Cartier boutique address.

I forgot about the Roger Dubuis factory.

 

Thanks.

MTF

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Breaking news: Changes to Geneva Seal announced

 
 By: SJX : November 10th, 2011-06:17
Last year in my conversations with several executives of Geneva based brands the topic of upcoming changes to the Geneva Seal was often mentioned. The criteria for the seal had not changed in many years and it was losing prestige bit by bit, especially af...  

Cartier factory is in La Chaux-de-Fonds

 
 By: MTF : November 10th, 2011-09:34
How does Cartier get a Geneva Seal on their watches if their factory is in La Chaux-de-Fonds? Do they maintain a small office in the Canton Of Geneve to finish the assembly in the geographic area? Regards, MTF

Tourbillon movements are made in Geneva

 
 By: SJX : November 10th, 2011-19:59
Cartier owns and runs one floor in the Roger Dubuis factory in Geneva where its tourbillons are made. Those are Cartier premises and RD staff can't access them (I tried). The flying tourbillon movement Cartier uses is of course based on the Roger Dubuis f... 

Thanks. I searched the Internet

 
 By: MTF : November 11th, 2011-03:21
using the infamous 'Goo-word' search engine and only found a Geneva Cartier boutique address. I forgot about the Roger Dubuis factory. Thanks. MTF

Do movements have to be visible

 
 By: docsnov : November 11th, 2011-14:36
to earn the Geneva seal? I know it seems logical they would be visible, but many of these companies finish movements with the same techniques even if they are going in a case with a solid back. Just wondering. Stewart

That is not a requirement though in practice...

 
 By: SJX : November 11th, 2011-19:12
though in practice movement with Geneva Seal are almost always under display back today. In the more modest past it was not the case so you can find watches from the 90s that have solid case back, like VC for example. - SJX

A few thoughts

 
 By: ling5hk : November 13th, 2011-03:04
With the additional criteria on accuracy, will the charges imposed for getting Geneva Seal be increased? If yes, I believe the watches with Geneva Seal after the effective date will be relatively more expensive. Will the brands producing watches with Gene... 

Geneva Seal does not test function

 
 By: MTF : November 15th, 2011-00:29
Ling, The Geneva Seal does not test time keeping function (accuracy and precision) like COSC test. Neither does it test the durability of a complete watch like Qualite Fleurier. Geneva Seal is primarily a certificate of authentic assembly in Geneva to cer... 

That is no longer accurate from 2012

 
 By: SJX : November 15th, 2011-01:53
With the changes to the Poincon de Geneve the seal now encompasses functional and accuracy criteria, in addition to the traditional movement aesthetic/decorative criteria. - SJX

Thanks Melvyn.

 
 By: ling5hk : November 15th, 2011-01:53
If I read it correctly from SJX post, there will be new criteria imposed by Geneva Seal, ie. accuracy +/- 1 minute after 7 days. Does that mean they will test accuracy? Regards Ling

Yes: As SJX noted....2012 is a new game.

 
 By: MTF : November 15th, 2011-20:32
They had to move with the times as the way was shown by Qualite Fleurier and even COSC changed their standards. Of course, Patek Philippe leaving Geneva Seal had a big impact since they were the most famous user in the past. There is still no 'destruction...